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How to Build a Business That Runs Without You — with Kristi Boccato
Kristi Boccato on Building a Business That Doesn’t Need You
After scaling and selling her successful gifting company, Kristi Boccato now helps founders escape burnout and build team-led businesses through her work at The Retail Lab. In this episode, she joins Rufus to share hard-won lessons on leadership, freedom, and the mindset shifts every visionary entrepreneur needs to grow — and eventually let go.

Designing Vision-Driven Teams: Lessons from Justin Greenleaf
What if your greatest contribution as a leader isn’t the work you do — but the people you build? In this episode of Constructive Interference, architect and CEO Justin Greenleaf shares how he went from designing buildings to designing high-performing teams. Whether you’re scaling a business or leading a small crew, this conversation is packed with insight on vision, culture, and learning from failure fast.